it is a social skill deficit that they learn, and their parents need to know that and intervene. >> the place where we stop it is the public forum of the school. because we can't control these homes. but we can control what happens to kids at school. and we can have -- we can push for more empathy and more understanding. that's where we have a chance to make an impact. >> what bothers me is i don't think you can put a fence around the school. i hear administrators say it happened off campus, it wasn't actually on school. it was in a chat room, it was this, it was that. you have to take down the fences and boundaries. we are responsible adults, and if we know this is going on, we need to caucus and talk to the parents and have a discussion about this. and not to come in and put the bully under the jail. you're not going to punish this out of the bully. that young man that was doing that on the bus, that bully, to me, that is a tormented child. the bully. there's something going on. >> but when he went home that night for dinner and his mom said how was your day, what did you do today, he